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karenina



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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:14 pm

Franzi86 wrote:
I sincerely hope they have better things to do there than reading CVs all the time.

haha! mee too actually Wink
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:41 pm

Hello all,

I also got preselected and took contact with a few units that would interest me more specifically and I just wanted to let you know that one person told me that their selection would be made in "early january" after CV reviews and possible interviews.

So I guess it might depend on the DG for the selection dates and that some will finish earlier than others ?

In any case I wish you all the best !
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:57 pm

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I just wanted to let you know that one person told me that their selection would be made in "early january" after CV reviews and possible interviews.

So I guess it might depend on the DG for the selection dates and that some will finish earlier than others ?


Damn frog, you ruined my day! Wink

I was really hoping that ALL of the DGs would for some nice reason have to make their decision by Dec 14, and not mid-January. Now I guess it is exactly as you said, each DG having their internal date. So there may be still over a month to go... pale

About lobbying: last week I only emailed one of my DGs, to the address provided, with some general questions (how many interns they will take, in which units etc.). No answer to those whatsoever, just a very general bla bla response. I really wonder why they even created those email accounts, if there is actually no real replies to candidates' questions?

Ah well... So I decided not to lobby, but am questioning my decision more and more each day without call. Although I'm a shy Finn, lobbying myself is definitely not my cup of tea! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:34 pm

Sorry !

Maybe most will do it before Christmas in any case, I know that last year the selection results were even published before the holidays so I don't really know what to think...

About lobbying, I can't say that's what I am doing, I'm more expressing my specific interest to a couple of units in which I'd like to work, just by sending an email.
I don't know and am not sure if calling would help, but if anyone has a contrary experience, let me know !

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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:31 am

Hi,

I was also preselected and was told defenately to lobby, but not writing for the general e-mail addresses but to the direct e-mail addresses provided by the EC orgcharts.
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:32 pm

Esther wrote:
Hi,

I was also preselected and was told defenately to lobby, but not writing for the general e-mail addresses but to the direct e-mail addresses provided by the EC orgcharts.

Thank you for the advice!

Do you know maybe which person did they lobby to (head of department, head of which unit, asistants)? And if maybe you know anything about EPSO?

Thank you in advance! santa
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:30 pm


Head of department at least flower
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Shalimar



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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:44 pm

Shocked It sounds scary to bother such an inportant and busy person right now pale

I ll see... Thank you again!

Best of luck to you! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:45 pm

If I would lobby, I would do it at Head of Unit level. But I'm not doing it (except for that one general email, and I wouldn't call that lobbying at all), as in some cases it might be contraproductive, and it does not fit my personality. Not all DGs/units really appreciate lobbying! In others, it may definitely be important, even essential.

The problem, obviously, then is that we do not know, which DGs/units expect which kind of behaviour... Sad

But good luck to you all, lobbying or not! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:11 pm

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But I'm not doing it (except for that one general email, and I wouldn't call that lobbying at all), as in some cases it might be contraproductive, and it does not fit my personality.

Could someone enlighten me as to what "lobbying" actually means? When I think of lobbying I don't necessarily imagine harassing the poor head of Unit with several e-mails and follow up phone calls. To my mind, a polite and concise "statement of interest" type of e-mail is minimally intrusive (one could make a special folder in their inbox and save all the e-mails to read later or immediately delete them if that individual was more interested in browsing the Blue Book instead).

I've recently read the results of a survey done among EC staff, which revealed that "lobbying" was considered ineffective:

"As regards the lobbying activities, a conspicuous number of applicants contact different Units through e-mail, telephone calls and/or personal visits to lobby for their selection. An average of 47.4% of candidates among the respondents had carried out some lobbying activities in order to be selected in the period 2000–2006, with a peak of 56.7% reached in 200313 (Figure 4.8 ). The majority of respondent Advisers consider this approach as being not effective, an opinion that is contrasted by a large minority of 43.3% of them. The overall degree of satisfaction on this issue is however below the threshold for being considered positive" (http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/education_culture/evalreports/civilsociety/2008/stagereport_en.pdf)

However, I am intrigued by the fact that 43% of respondents don't consider lobbying ineffective. This indicates that it's very likely that putting some effort into lobbying could actually positively affect your chances if almost 1 in 2 EC officials will find it a good addition to one's application and the rest will be indifferent towards it. Moreover, I think that the 43% might have increased since 2007 when this survey was conducted.

Anyhow, even if I am lobbying for lobbying right now, I really hope that the candidates who deserve it the most, will get in! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:41 pm

I did lobby, and I don't regret it!

The survey doesn't say that lobbying is the opposite of effectiveness, only that in the majority of cases, it is not effective...that's all.
Meaning, most DGs don't take in consideration your e-mail, but this don't conclude, that they will not select you just because you did send one.
On the other hand, 43% DO think that IT IS affective.

I'm not trying to convince any1 here to do anything (probably at some DGs it's to late to lobby anyway), I would just like to clear out, that, if one bears reasonable knowledge of lobbying and decides to commit to it, his/her act is FAR from being inconsiderate Wink.

With the hope, that this ongoing debate starts wearing itself out, I would like to ask if anyone else got any positive answers or useful infos regarding selections?

Best,
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:57 am

Hello all, I did lobby - I first sent an email to the general stagiaires email provided by the DG, thinking I would just get one of those general reply at best. But yesterday I got a "personal" reply tailored to my email, and the lady who replied actually advised me to seek out the names of heads of units that I was interested in on the EC Directory and mail my CV and/or motivation letter directly to them. And she was very nice about it.

So that I did, I sent emails to the heads of 3 units within that DG and just a while ago I received a reply from one of them. It wasn't exactly good news (she informed me that her unit wasn't taking interns in March), but I'm surprised at the success I've had in getting in touch with "real" people in the DG (it's DG Relex, btw)!

I'm still waiting on the other 2 heads (if they reply at all - not expecting anything), but that's just my lobbying experience that I wanted to share. Best luck to all those who have/will be lobbying.

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Therion



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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:42 am

Hi,
i did the same with sending my CV+Mot letter to heads of units untill this time, I didn`t receive any answers or call:) But hope the best Cool
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prato



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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:24 am

hi all,

i just got an email from SJ DG, replying to my expression of interest,
they informed me I was not chosen by the DG internal committee.

so it seems some DGs have already made their choices;
same as i thought - selection is blazing fast - the first few days and it's done;

i wish everyone luck, and i hope other DGs have still not made up their mind... pale
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:37 pm

Well, I have searched all information on lobbying I could find on the internet and I get the same conclusion like you guys and that is: some like lobbying, some don`t, but we don`t know which are in which category! Smile So, like someone said, it is all about luck!

To ease my mind, I did send an e-mail to Head of Unit, but not to my first choice. If I got it right, your first choice gets your application first anyway...

So, we`ll see...

On Facebook page of March 2011 trainees, someone said that EAC started interviewing if anyone is interested in that DG. Please if you hear anything about HR or EPSO, let me know!

santa
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:04 pm

Just a little update...

I received an answer to the e-mail I sent yesterday to EPSO in which they inform me they do not have any posts for trainees. Sad The answer was really nice and very informative, so writing to department is not a bad idea afterall. At least you know what to hope for...

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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:02 pm

Does any1 know if they call in the weekends? I guess no, right? I wanna teak a break from guarding my cellphone and non-stop checking my e-mails for at least 2 days Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:06 am

Nobody will call you during the weekend, so take a break Smile
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:49 pm

Hi everyone,

I've been lobbying this week with my first and second choice ( I only chose 2)- sent e-mails to the Commission departments and to a few Heads of units. But all I got as a response was the general e-mail, sort of tips on how to lobby. As I wasn't interviewed yet, I started thinking lobbying doesn't really help, although they recommend it. We'll there's still time and hope Wink...

So, I'd like to know if you guys tried to lobby the other DGs that you haven't mentioned in your application. Would it increase my chances on being selected?

Thanks, good luck all! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:12 pm

lycka wrote:
Hi everyone,

I've been lobbying this week with my first and second choice ( I only chose 2)- sent e-mails to the Commission departments and to a few Heads of units. But all I got as a response was the general e-mail, sort of tips on how to lobby. As I wasn't interviewed yet, I started thinking lobbying doesn't really help, although they recommend it. We'll there's still time and hope Wink...

So, I'd like to know if you guys tried to lobby the other DGs that you haven't mentioned in your application. Would it increase my chances on being selected?

Thanks, good luck all! Very Happy

Hi Lycka!

Could you please tell us which DG-s did you lobby to?

If you decide to lobby to others, do it as soon as possible, because some of the departments are closing selection on 14th December according to this forum...

Good luck! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:45 pm

Hi Shalimar

I lobbied with RELEX and AIDCO. Thanks for your tip, I agree time is definitely short for lobbying.

Good luck for you too! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:33 pm

Relex and Aidco are the most difficult to get into, maybe also try other DGs? There are some that work very closely with Relex and Aidco or work on similar topics, but they are not as popular as the two. They are getting probably tons of e-mails every day, it's better to aim at some more specialised units, unless you have a really super strong CV - all the ppl from the 2 DGs you mentioned that I know are the "Oxford/Harvard types with a PhD and 5 fluent languages", so it's not that easy to get there.
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:29 pm

Hello everyone - I received an email from DG Competition asking me to schedule an interview. Does anyone know whether it is likely to be a grilling interview of substance or just a general chat about motivations etc. (which is what I'm hoping Smile.
Thank you! x
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:19 pm

Hello ppl,

I also sent some e-mails to my first DG choice, but up until now I haven't received any call or e-mail. I am a bit worried, because I didn't lobby anywhere else and I think now it's too late...
Did any of you apply to DG REGIO, or knows info about it?

Good luck to those having interviews & fingers crossed to the rest!
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:13 am

Aneena wrote:
Relex and Aidco are the most difficult to get into, maybe also try other DGs? There are some that work very closely with Relex and Aidco or work on similar topics, but they are not as popular as the two. They are getting probably tons of e-mails every day, it's better to aim at some more specialised units, unless you have a really super strong CV - all the ppl from the 2 DGs you mentioned that I know are the "Oxford/Harvard types with a PhD and 5 fluent languages", so it's not that easy to get there.

Thanks Aneena, you have a good point! I've actually realised the same thing, hopefully it's not too late to lobby with the less popular DGs. I actually do speak 5 languages, but although I did a Master's program in the EU (I'm from a non-EU country) my university is not among those top you've mentioned. I was hoping my "exotic" profile might be appealing to them..Smile...I will definitely try my luck with other DGs Wink
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:51 am

Well, maybe it's a bit exaggerated - there are also some "normal" people in the popular DGs, but then usually they have really very specialised experience. The thing is that there are many applicants for the 2 DGs and obviously the competition is much higher and it is much more difficult to get in. You might get in without a super degree and a knowledge of languages and a lot of experience, but there are many applicants that are extremely good, so it's just very difficult to compete with them. Basically almost every DG has a unit dealing with foreign relations-foreign relations in trade, in research, in health etc. - maybe you could try to see whether there is something suitable for you somewhere else.
Also the fact that you didn't get any phone calls or e-mails doesn't necessarily mean that you weren't chosen (which was my case), so don't lose hope Smile
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:01 pm

Hi to all of you guys,

No lobbying from my site Smile I've decided to let the things go their own way Smile
That what is so called "Carma" Very Happy hahaha

Good luck to all of you. Con grats to already selected and Marry Marry Christmas, for those who celebrate Wink

Lucas
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:14 pm

I am not sure if anyone already posted about this...anyway, when you send an e-mail to EAC e-mail we got in our preselection letter, you get a standard response with among other things:

"Final selection will be closed on Monday 20 December 2010 and at this stage, no traineeship may be guaranteed. If you are selected by the Directorate-General for Education and Culture, the Traineeships Office will inform you by e-mail and then send you a trainee placement offer as from mid-January 2011."


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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Mon Dec 13, 2010 3:47 pm

Hi everyone. I got an email this morning asking if I was available for a phone interview from my first choice DG (Aidco). Waiting by the phone all day for them to call. Anybody already have an interview with them?
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PostSubject: Re: General Topic   Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:04 pm

Hi,

Anyone news from EACEA? It's enough to drive you mad bounce

But good luck to you and congrats to everyone selected! XXX
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